How I define a classic movie fan and my pet peeve of the old movie ‘posers’ . I know I am a little fanatical and old movies are my life, but if you are going to claim to like old movies you have to know your stuff.
Another thing that drives me crazy is what consumers and manufacturers consider when it comes to classic movie merchandise (not including books, there is an abundance of wonderful film books). Everywhere you go, you see mugs, purses, T-shirts, magnets, etc with four people on them 1.) Marilyn Monroe 2.) Audrey Hepburn 3.) James Dean 4.) John Wayne. Then I go to Los Angeles with high hopes of Doris Day and Esther Williams merchandise, but I was quickly dismayed. In Hollywood, the movie mecca of the world, they still carried the same crap that they sell in Greenville, South Carolina. (Don’t get me wrong, I like Dean, Wayne and Hepburn but I want some variety.)
In my conversations with supposed old movie fans, there are typical answers that people give me that drive me up the wall. Here is a list which separates the men from the boys when it comes to classic films:
1.) When I ask which old movies they like they say they love all Audrey Hepburn films, which for many only includes Breakfast at Tiffany’s (1961), Sabrina (1954) and Roman Holiday (1953). When I continue to question they basically say that the only old movies they have seen are Audrey Hepburn’s. This does not qualify you as an old movie fanatic, but possibly an Audrey fanatic.
2.) Some people say they are old movie fans and proceed to list classic movies that they have seen, but are the very typical classics that EVERYONE has seen like Casablanca (1942) , Gone With the Wind (1939), Breakfast at Tiffany’s (1961) and The Searchers (1956). These are all lovely movies, but they are certainly not the ONLY old movies out there.
3.) When you like the remake better than the original. I don’t care what you say, saying You’ve Got Mail (1998) is way better than Shop Around the Corner (1940) is practically blasphemous! Ernst Lubitsch (director of Shop Around the Corner) was one of the best, most celebrated and most sought after directors in the Golden Age of Hollywood. Lubitsch has 74 director credits to his name. Whoever Nora Ephron is (director of You’ve Got Mail) is basically a nobody. She has directed all of 8 films and is not nearly the caliber that Lubitsch was or ever will be. I also don’t particularly care for the 1949 remake of Shop Around the Corner, titled In the Good Old Summertime starring Judy Garland and Van Johnson. Even if it does have Van Johnson in it, the love me life, it is rather weak and features some really stupid songs like “I Don’t Care” which seems to last for ten minutes. I say this to show that it is not because I dislike Meg Ryan or Tom Hanks, I am showing that I don’t like any remake, Van Johnson or no Van Johnson.
And don’t even get me started on The Women (2008) Eva Mendes as Crystal!? Robert Osborne even scoffed at the 2008 remake while he was introducing the 1939 version on Turner Classic Movies this month. How anyone can think that Meg Ryan, Annette Benning and Eva Mendes could ever be half the actresses that Norma Shearer, Rosalind Russell and Joan Crawford were is laughable. The Women (1939) was also remade in 1956 as The Opposite Sex with one of my favorite actresses, June Allyson, but it stunk as well. The whole charm of The Women (1939) is that it is an all female cast, no men to be found, and shows the cattiness and hypocrisy of women who claim they are friends. The Opposite Sex had men in it, and the 2008 version of The Women celebrated women’s friendship and togetherness. What? Again, I wanted to note that I disliked the 1956 version to show that it was not just recent remakes that I was prejudiced against, it is all remakes.
Other remakes that are sub par: Father of the Bride (1991)-Steve Martin reprising a Spencer Tracy role, are you kidding? Cheaper By The Dozen (2003)-another Steve Martin movie that had nothing to with the original movie which was about a real life family living in the early 1900’s. You put the Gilbreth’s to shame.
4.) I understand people might not know who Kay Francis and Constance Bennett are…but if you don’t know very well-known, identifiable and easy actors like Bette Davis, Clark Gable or Cary Grant (oh yes, I know people who don’t know who they are) then you have some studying to do before you come back and tell me that you like old movies.
5.) Orson Welles once was quoted as saying, “Keep Ted Turner and his damn crayolas away from my movies.” Welles was perfectly correct. Watch any Shirley Temple movie or possibly A Miracle on 34th Street (1947) or It’s a Wonderful Life (1946) on an old VHS tape or AMC and see the muddy colorization of these films. Colorization looks like crap. People have grey teeth and outfits are colored with terrible hosiptals greens and Barbie pinks. It completely takes the charm away from the movie when Shirley has grey teeth when she is singing “An Old Straw Hat” in Rebecca of Sunnybrooke Farms (1938). People complain until they are purple about being forced to watch a black and white movie, I’m sorry for your misfortune.
It takes a lot more work and artistic lighting and direction to shoot a black and white movie. Any self respecting old movie fan would know that. Even from taking a simple film photography class in college, I realized that taking black and white pictures were alot more difficult depending on what time of day it was and how much light was available. It was very frustrating.
Here is a list I have created of what a fan of the Golden Era should or would know.
Things a true classic movie fan should know:
1.) That TCM (Turner Classic Movies) is better than AMC (American Movie Classics).
2.) The significance of the year 1939.
3.) Basic actors like Cary Grant, Claudette Colbert, Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn.
4.) Recognizable supporting and character actors like Keenan Wynn, William Frawley and Charles Coburn.
5.) The dawn of talkies.
6.) What talkies did to silent film actors.
7.) Who Rudolph Valentino is.
8.) Directors like John Ford, William Wyler, Billy Wilder, Alfred Hitchcock and George Cukor.
9.) What the Arthur Freed Unit was at MGM
10.) Which studio the quote “More stars than there are in the heavens” refers to.
I write this blog not trying to convert you over to a classic movie fan. I don’t care if you like them or not, I am just saying that the things I have listed are fairly basic and are known by not just film historians, Robert Osborne or myself. So next time you tell me you like old movies and I say, “What kind?” please never ever say “I like movies from the 1980’s and 1990’s.” or “Well, I only just like Breakfast at Tiffany’s” because you will have gotten my hopes up for nothing.
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So true about an Audrey Hepburn picture hanging in nearly every college aged girls’ bedroom. I would add though that if it isn’t a Breakfast at Tiffany’s poster then its a Marilyn Monroe poster. My sophomore year, one of my roommates had a Breakfast at Tiffany’s poster and my other roommate had a Marilyn poster. Whenever there is a Marilyn poster in a pile at a store, it seems to be an unwritten rule that there has to be a Breakfast at Tiffany’s poster in there, too. I like Audrey Hepburn and Marilyn Monroe as much as the next classic film fan, but its dissapointing that these are the only two classic actresses marketed to our generation.
Too bad these girls aren’t familiar with actresses other than A. Hepburn or Monroe…I think they would adore the likes of Carole Lombard, Myrna Loy, Jean Harlow, Barbara Stanwyck, Claudette Colbert and so many others. (Where actors are concerned, I doubt few of these girls would recognize William Powell, whom George Clooney probably wishes he could be, or think of Fred MacMurray other than in a Disney context. More’s the pity.)
I don’t know if you remember me from high school but I found your blog through facebook and it’s very interesting!
I’m definitely not as up on my classic movies as you are, but seriously–who doesn’t know Cary Grant? (That man is one of my all time favorite men, so maybe I’m a little biased).
Anyway, I’m enjoying your backposts and will definitely be looking up some of the actors/actresses on netflix and youtube to expand my horizons 🙂
Of course I remember you Kristen 🙂 You were also in my 5th grade class I think lol.
I’m glad you enjoyed the post! Surprisingly there are some people who don’t know who Cary Grant is. Some people haven’t even heard of John Wayne! Now that is sad.
I found your blog through looking for a picture of Robert Stack, one of the best looking guys ever.
I am a huge old movie fan, I have heaps of classic movies in my collection including Deanna Durbin, Mickey Rooney, Bette Davis and mony others you have mentioned in your blogs. I have just read through them, I think they are fantastic 🙂
I am a big Billy Wilder fan.
Would love to have a chat some time, didnt know there were others out there who liked the movies I like.
Thanks! I really like Deanna Durbin and Bette Davis as well. I’ve really enjoyed watching all the Andy Hardy movies on TCM this month for Mickey Rooney month.
Hope you keep reading! Always glad to find another classic film fan 🙂
even mendes is a bit old now but she is still smokin hot and i wanna marry her *::
I myself am a huge fan of films of the 20th century, even though my mom does not seem to be too proud of the fact that I am a raving fanatic of Deanna Durbin and Barbara Stanwyck. Carole Lombard is wonderful in the few movies that I have seen her in, and as soon as a long weekend comes along, I am going to try to watch some more of her pictures. I may like some mainstream films, but I also really like some rare gems: a great Lubitsch picture, a couple of (the better written) pre-codes, and an occasional off-beat but entertaining movie that combines mystery, comedy, and trains. I doubt that I will ever actually meet someone my age who knows anything about classic cinema other than a certain fellow who signed my school yearbook many moons ago with a reference to Shadow of a Doubt.
Uh, this is awesome…especially the list of what constitutes a class film fan…you got the basic right, very nicely done! (Now I gotta make sure I can adequately answer those questions 😉
I’m surprised THE SEARCHERS is as run-of-the-mill classic as GWTW or Casablanca. You know THAT group with It’s a Wonderful LIfe, Sound of Music, Singin in the Rain, Citizen Kane, and Wizard of OZ. I thought THE SEARCHERS would be a little more “advanced beginner” or “intermediate” maybe along the lines of Stagecoach or Key Largo.
“Advanced beginner;” I like that!
I have to say, five years after originally writing this post, I am inclined to agree with you. I guess at the time I felt for some reason like it was one of those movies everyone talked about.
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